WHATSOEVER YOU SAY, I ALWAYS AGREE WITH IT.
THEN WHY IS MY LIFE NOT CHANGING?
MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT. If you agree with me, or if you disagree with me, your life will not change. It is not a question of agreement or disagreement - it is a question of understanding.
And understanding is beyond both agreement and disagreement.
Ordinarily, when you agree you think you have understood me. If you have understood me then there will be no question of agreement and disagreement. How can you agree with truth? or disagree?
The sun has risen - do you agree or do you disagree? You will say the question is irrelevant.
Agreement, disagreement, is about theories, not about truth. So when you agree with me you are not really agreeing with me - you start feeling that I agree with your theory that you have already been carrying with yourself. Whenever you feel that is in agreement with you, you feel that you agree with. Whenever I am not in agreement with you, then there is trouble, then you don't agree with me. Or, you don't listen to that, you don't hear that. You simply close yourself when I am saying something which does not agree with you.
It is not a question of agreement and disagreement. Drop this! I am not here in search of any converts; I am not trying any philosophy; I am not here proposing any theology; I am not seeking followers. I am seeking disciples - and that is a totally different thing, utterly different. A disciple is not one who agrees: a disciple is one who listens, who learns. The very word'disciple' comes from learning, discipline.
A disciple is one who is open to learn. A follower is closed. A follower thinks he has agreed; now there is nothing and no need to remain open - he can close, he can afford to close. A disciple can never afford to close; there is so much to learn. How can you agree or disagree? And a disciple has no ego, so who will agree and who will not agree. A disciple is just an opening there is nobody inside to agree or not agree. Your very agreement is creating the trouble.
And nobody is ever transformed through agreement. Agreement is very superficial, very intellectual.
To be transformed, one needs understanding. It is always understanding that transforms, that mutates. AND, when you understand, you are not to do anything - the understanding will start doing things. It is not that first you understand, then you practise - no. The VERY understanding, the very fact of understanding, goes deep into your heart, sinks, and there is transformation.
Transformation is a consequence of understanding.
If you agree then the problem arises: Now what to do? I have agreed, now something has to be practised. Agreement is very stupid, as stupid as disagreement.
And then mind is very cunning! You never know what you mean by agreement... -
first:
Mind is very cunning. Watch... when you agree with me, do you really agree with me? or do you find that I am agreeable to you? And then mind is very legal, mind is a lawyer: it can find ways to agree and yet remain the same. Not only that, but when you agree you start feeling as if now it is my duty to transform you - what more can you do'? - you are agreeing, you have done your part. What more can you do? - you have agreed. you have become, you have surrendered. What more can you do'?
Now, if nothing is happening, you start getting angry at me. Then when I say something to you, it is not exactly the same thing that you hear. You hear in your own way. You hear with all Your interpretations. You hear through your past, through memories, through knowledge, through your conditionings. YOU HEAR THROUGH THE MIND! And the mind gives a color to everything that you hear. It immediately Jumps on it, changes it, makes it agreeable to you; drops a few things, exaggerates a few other things, fills the gaps. Only part of what I have said remains in it and the part can never transform, only the whole.
But the whole can remain whole only when you are not making any effort to agree or disagree. When you are not making any effort to agree or disagree, you can put the mind aside. If you are trying to make an effort to agree, how can you put the mind aside? It is MIND which agrees or disagrees.
Understanding is something bigger than mind. Understanding happens in your total being. It is as much in your head as it is in your toe. Understanding is something total. Mind is a very tiny part, but very dictatorial. And it goes on pretending that it is the whole.
Second:
Your understanding is your understanding. Your interpretation is your interpretation. You will look from your angle.
Whatsoever you hear is your interpretation, always remember - beware of it! It is NOT what I have said: it is what you have thought that you have heard - and they are not the same things. You agree with your own echo; you don't agree with me. You agree with your own idea. Then how can you change? The idea is yours, the agreement is yours, so there is no possibility of change.
You please stop agreeing, disagreeing. You just listen to me. Your method of agreement may be a sort of trick to protect yourself, so that you don't get the shock. It functions like a buffer. I say something: you agree immediately. The shock is avoided. If you were not agreeing with me, it may have shocked you to your very roots, it may have shaken you to your very guts. I say something; you say, "Yes, I agree." With this agreement you cut. Now there is no need to be shocked - you agree.
We have created so many buffers around ourselves, protections. These protections will not allow you to change. To change you will need to be shocked - shocked tremendously, terribly. It is going to be painful - transformation is going to be painful. Agreement is very comfortable, so is disagreement.
I don't make much difference between agreement and disagreement; they are two aspects of the same coin.
The REAL person will not agree, will not disagree. He will simply listen - pure listening, absolutely pure listening, with no interpretation. He will put himself aside. He will give me way.
The third :
All your agreements, all your disagreements, are just finding ways to remain the way you are, not to change.
In fact, this express desire that they want to change is again a trick not to change; so they can say to the world, "I am trying to change and I am saying loudly and shouting loudly I want to change, and still if nothing is happening what can I do?"
You cannot change - the last thing I would like to say about this question - YOU cannot change.
You can only allow change to happen. Trying to change, you will never change. Who is trying? The old? Look at the inner logic of it: you are trying to change yourself. It is almost like pulling yourself up by your own shoe-strings. What can happen out of it? Nothing is possible. You cannot change yourself, because WHO is this one who is trying to change? It is your past. It is you.
You can allow a change to happen. What can you do to allow it? Please don't agree and disagree with me. You just listen! You just be here. You just let my presence function as a catalytic agent. You just get infected by me. You just catch the disease that I am having, the measles that I am having.
You just allow me. You don't try to change yourself.
This allowing is what surrender is all about.
So to follow is a way to avoid change. Please don't follow me. You simply listen to what is happening here, you see what is happening here. You just look into me, and you give me way - so my energy can start functioning on your energy. It is not a mind thing: it is a total affair... so that you can start vibrating in the same wavelength - even for a few moments.
Those moments will bring change, those moments will bring glimpses of the unknown. Those moments will make you aware that there is eternity beyond time. Those moments will give you a feel of what it is to be in meditation. Those moments will allow you a little taste of God, of Tao, of Tantra, of Zen. Those moments will bring the possibility of change, because those moments will come, not from your past but from your future.
Agreeing it is your past which agrees with me. Opening, allowing, it is your future which opens - opens with me. Your possibility of transformation is in your future. The past is dead and gone and finished. Bury it! It has no meaning any more. Don't go on carrying it; it is unnecessary luggage.
Because of THIS luggage, you cannot go very high.
What do you mean when you say, "I agree with you"? It means your past agreeing, your past feeling good and nodding, and saying, "Yes, that's what I have always been thinking." This is a way to avoid the future. Be aware....
Just being with me - that's satsang, that's contact high. Just being with me... in spite of you, a few rays will enter in your being and will start playing. And then you will become aware that whatever life you have lived was not life at all, that you have been in an illusion, that you have been dreaming.
Those few glimpses of reality will shatter your whole past. And then there is transformation.
It comes naturally of its own accord - it follows understanding.
THEN WHY IS MY LIFE NOT CHANGING?
MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT. If you agree with me, or if you disagree with me, your life will not change. It is not a question of agreement or disagreement - it is a question of understanding.
And understanding is beyond both agreement and disagreement.
Ordinarily, when you agree you think you have understood me. If you have understood me then there will be no question of agreement and disagreement. How can you agree with truth? or disagree?
The sun has risen - do you agree or do you disagree? You will say the question is irrelevant.
Agreement, disagreement, is about theories, not about truth. So when you agree with me you are not really agreeing with me - you start feeling that I agree with your theory that you have already been carrying with yourself. Whenever you feel that is in agreement with you, you feel that you agree with. Whenever I am not in agreement with you, then there is trouble, then you don't agree with me. Or, you don't listen to that, you don't hear that. You simply close yourself when I am saying something which does not agree with you.
It is not a question of agreement and disagreement. Drop this! I am not here in search of any converts; I am not trying any philosophy; I am not here proposing any theology; I am not seeking followers. I am seeking disciples - and that is a totally different thing, utterly different. A disciple is not one who agrees: a disciple is one who listens, who learns. The very word'disciple' comes from learning, discipline.
A disciple is one who is open to learn. A follower is closed. A follower thinks he has agreed; now there is nothing and no need to remain open - he can close, he can afford to close. A disciple can never afford to close; there is so much to learn. How can you agree or disagree? And a disciple has no ego, so who will agree and who will not agree. A disciple is just an opening there is nobody inside to agree or not agree. Your very agreement is creating the trouble.
And nobody is ever transformed through agreement. Agreement is very superficial, very intellectual.
To be transformed, one needs understanding. It is always understanding that transforms, that mutates. AND, when you understand, you are not to do anything - the understanding will start doing things. It is not that first you understand, then you practise - no. The VERY understanding, the very fact of understanding, goes deep into your heart, sinks, and there is transformation.
Transformation is a consequence of understanding.
If you agree then the problem arises: Now what to do? I have agreed, now something has to be practised. Agreement is very stupid, as stupid as disagreement.
And then mind is very cunning! You never know what you mean by agreement... -
first:
Mind is very cunning. Watch... when you agree with me, do you really agree with me? or do you find that I am agreeable to you? And then mind is very legal, mind is a lawyer: it can find ways to agree and yet remain the same. Not only that, but when you agree you start feeling as if now it is my duty to transform you - what more can you do'? - you are agreeing, you have done your part. What more can you do? - you have agreed. you have become, you have surrendered. What more can you do'?
Now, if nothing is happening, you start getting angry at me. Then when I say something to you, it is not exactly the same thing that you hear. You hear in your own way. You hear with all Your interpretations. You hear through your past, through memories, through knowledge, through your conditionings. YOU HEAR THROUGH THE MIND! And the mind gives a color to everything that you hear. It immediately Jumps on it, changes it, makes it agreeable to you; drops a few things, exaggerates a few other things, fills the gaps. Only part of what I have said remains in it and the part can never transform, only the whole.
But the whole can remain whole only when you are not making any effort to agree or disagree. When you are not making any effort to agree or disagree, you can put the mind aside. If you are trying to make an effort to agree, how can you put the mind aside? It is MIND which agrees or disagrees.
Understanding is something bigger than mind. Understanding happens in your total being. It is as much in your head as it is in your toe. Understanding is something total. Mind is a very tiny part, but very dictatorial. And it goes on pretending that it is the whole.
Second:
Your understanding is your understanding. Your interpretation is your interpretation. You will look from your angle.
Whatsoever you hear is your interpretation, always remember - beware of it! It is NOT what I have said: it is what you have thought that you have heard - and they are not the same things. You agree with your own echo; you don't agree with me. You agree with your own idea. Then how can you change? The idea is yours, the agreement is yours, so there is no possibility of change.
You please stop agreeing, disagreeing. You just listen to me. Your method of agreement may be a sort of trick to protect yourself, so that you don't get the shock. It functions like a buffer. I say something: you agree immediately. The shock is avoided. If you were not agreeing with me, it may have shocked you to your very roots, it may have shaken you to your very guts. I say something; you say, "Yes, I agree." With this agreement you cut. Now there is no need to be shocked - you agree.
We have created so many buffers around ourselves, protections. These protections will not allow you to change. To change you will need to be shocked - shocked tremendously, terribly. It is going to be painful - transformation is going to be painful. Agreement is very comfortable, so is disagreement.
I don't make much difference between agreement and disagreement; they are two aspects of the same coin.
The REAL person will not agree, will not disagree. He will simply listen - pure listening, absolutely pure listening, with no interpretation. He will put himself aside. He will give me way.
The third :
All your agreements, all your disagreements, are just finding ways to remain the way you are, not to change.
In fact, this express desire that they want to change is again a trick not to change; so they can say to the world, "I am trying to change and I am saying loudly and shouting loudly I want to change, and still if nothing is happening what can I do?"
You cannot change - the last thing I would like to say about this question - YOU cannot change.
You can only allow change to happen. Trying to change, you will never change. Who is trying? The old? Look at the inner logic of it: you are trying to change yourself. It is almost like pulling yourself up by your own shoe-strings. What can happen out of it? Nothing is possible. You cannot change yourself, because WHO is this one who is trying to change? It is your past. It is you.
You can allow a change to happen. What can you do to allow it? Please don't agree and disagree with me. You just listen! You just be here. You just let my presence function as a catalytic agent. You just get infected by me. You just catch the disease that I am having, the measles that I am having.
You just allow me. You don't try to change yourself.
This allowing is what surrender is all about.
So to follow is a way to avoid change. Please don't follow me. You simply listen to what is happening here, you see what is happening here. You just look into me, and you give me way - so my energy can start functioning on your energy. It is not a mind thing: it is a total affair... so that you can start vibrating in the same wavelength - even for a few moments.
Those moments will bring change, those moments will bring glimpses of the unknown. Those moments will make you aware that there is eternity beyond time. Those moments will give you a feel of what it is to be in meditation. Those moments will allow you a little taste of God, of Tao, of Tantra, of Zen. Those moments will bring the possibility of change, because those moments will come, not from your past but from your future.
Agreeing it is your past which agrees with me. Opening, allowing, it is your future which opens - opens with me. Your possibility of transformation is in your future. The past is dead and gone and finished. Bury it! It has no meaning any more. Don't go on carrying it; it is unnecessary luggage.
Because of THIS luggage, you cannot go very high.
What do you mean when you say, "I agree with you"? It means your past agreeing, your past feeling good and nodding, and saying, "Yes, that's what I have always been thinking." This is a way to avoid the future. Be aware....
Just being with me - that's satsang, that's contact high. Just being with me... in spite of you, a few rays will enter in your being and will start playing. And then you will become aware that whatever life you have lived was not life at all, that you have been in an illusion, that you have been dreaming.
Those few glimpses of reality will shatter your whole past. And then there is transformation.
It comes naturally of its own accord - it follows understanding.
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